Peggy Noonan's Pity Party

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In her latest column, out today at the WSJ , Peggy dives into the problems currently coursing their way through the Republican Party and although it reads in true Noonan fashion of doom and gloom, she is once again right on the money.

The Democrats aren't the ones falling apart, the Republicans are. The Democrats can see daylight ahead. For all their fractious fighting, they're finally resolving their central drama. Hillary Clinton will leave, and Barack Obama will deliver a stirring acceptance speech. Then hand-to-hand in the general, where they see their guy triumphing. You see it when you talk to them: They're busy being born.

-Snip-

They are also – Hill leaders, lobbyists, party speakers – successful, well-connected, busy and rich. They never guessed, back in '86, how government would pay off! They didn't know they'd stay! They came to make a difference and wound up with their butts in the butter. But affluence detaches, and in time skews thinking. It gives you the illusion you're safe, and that everyone else is. A party can lose its gut this way.

Many are ambivalent, deep inside, about the decisions made the past seven years in the White House. But they've publicly supported it so long they think they . . . support it. They get confused. Late at night they toss and turn in the antique mahogany sleigh bed in the carpeted house in McLean and try to remember what it is they really do think, and what those thoughts imply.

Absolutely! The old guard leadership of the Party needs to face the fact that it was their generation who got us here and it's now time to turn over the keys to their kids!

We need new leadership in the Party -- younger men who are not boomer's! Younger men who have shown leadership and a willingness to adapt to the ever changing winds of Washington politics. Younger men who are not afraid to stand up and speak for what they believe in, not what's politically expedient or to keep them safely entrenched.

You see, Democrats (as wrong as they are on the issues) have figured this out and are running a presidential candidate and other candidates who echo's that sentiment.

Democrats win by stealing our issues... Yes! Because we allow them to! We sit idly by resting on our laurels and completely unable to articulate our message.

"This was a real wakeup call for us," someone named Robert M. Duncan, who is chairman of the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times. This was after Mississippi. "We can't let the Democrats take our issues." And those issues would be? "We can't let them pretend to be conservatives," he continued. Why not? Republicans pretend to be conservative every day.

The Bush White House, faced with the series of losses from 2005 through '08, has long claimed the problem is Republicans on the Hill and running for office. They have scandals, bad personalities, don't stand for anything. That's why Republicans are losing: because they're losers.

All true enough!

"Wakeup call" is right! It's time for this party to wake up, stand up, and demand new leadership from those younger men within our party who serve this great nation, not for self, but to make real change. That's right I said it -- Real Change away from old guard Party Politics into a fresh new way of doing business free from back room deals where everyone's out to keep their respective seat. A new way free from corruption and overindulgence. Free from spending the people's money like it grew on trees and most of all... free from holding one's tongue for political correctness.

I believe we can turn this Party around. I'm in it for the long haul! All it takes, is for we the people of the Republican Party, to voice our dissatisfaction and our opinions on how to fix it and to make it so!

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I grow tired of Peggy's negativity. by St. Louis Conservative

We're all well aware of the situation and the challenges. Every single column from Peggy is doom and gloom. I've heard enough. I want to hear solutions and answers instead of constantly reminders of everything that's wrong with conservatism and the GOP - we all know these things.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

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...in many conservative circles to talk about how everything's going to hell in a handbasket. That doesn't inspire anyone to do anything. Quite the opposite.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

some times the trendy class (conventional wisdom) are more right than wrong.

I think McCain will win the Presidency, but we are in danger of getting slaughtered in Congress. I don't want to experience President McCain with veto-proof Democratic Congress, so I would prefer to hear hysterics now if it kicks our collective butts into action.

For us, we can do some things up to and including one of those periodic blood fertilizations of the ground of liberty that Jefferson spoke of should marx's utopia get too near.

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The jist of the article is that the GOP keeps going down the same tired path, and they/we don't seem to understand why we're losing support. Bush has screwed the GOP pooch. We keep supporting Bush-lite. And it ain't working. McCain IS Bush redux, just like the Dems say - but he's the only thing we got and he's a hell of a lot better than the Obamessiah, so we have to play that card, FOR NOW.

Mr. Foley is absolutely correct. We have to get the young guns in there and change the entire face of the GOP. It's time to return to conservative roots. It's time to jettison the New Tone and Compassionate Conservatism and big spending and kowtowing to the Democrat agenda.

Ms. Noonan is throwing fuel on the fire that needs to be burning to the skies. The Republican Party needs a nuclear warhead dropped in the middle of it to wake it from its slumber. Her article is dead on accurate. Steve's diary title is misleading - he is not disagreeing with her - he is vehemently AGREEING. As am I, as did I with my blog this morning.


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in your earlier conservative years...I pay her no attention.

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If so, tell me how you disagree with it. Tell me how it's elitist. Tell me where Steve disagrees with her.

It ain't there. The article is accurate. It's gloomy, but it's gloomy because the situation IS gloomy.


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President Bush is bad and I am so very smart...doesn't take much "courage" to beat up on President Bush now does it?

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It's so easy to shoot the messenger. You may not like how she delivers it, but can you disagree with the message?


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they became caught up in their own ego's and forgot they were sent to Washington to do the people's business....I don't ever feel like the President did that...I really believe he was taken aback at the ferocity of illegal immigration and the Miars fiasco...you see he was listening to those inside the beltway and momentarily forgot his mission...to govern we the people....but I don't think for a minute that Democrats have a better message and I believe the President used his microphone yesterday loud and clear....he may not use it as often as we would like but the MSM is not going to give him that face time anyway....if Barack and his minions had not had a "hey that's me" moment we would have had an afternoon news cycle on the President speaking in Israel...you see to Peggy it's all so simple and the reality is without FOX and new media the President has no large "microphone"

I watch Peggy on FOX and I always think...SNOB...there is no two ways about it...she believes she can "fix" this party with her idea's and I find she is part of that same problem (lofty ideals with no teeth)...oh by the way she loved the President right up until just before the surge and than we started getting the President is bad op-eds.

you would be correct that I do not like the messenger and I think her message is consistantly mixed. Blame the President and than quote Tom Davis (M) VA.

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use the microphone right now. In his (accurate) comments about engaging with terrorists, he did take on Obamination directly, whether or not he denies it. It was brilliant, and it could well help McCain immensely. Bush can be the bad cop, say the hard things and get the message out there. All the bloviating by Hillary and Obama just give his statements more coverage. McCain can be the good cop, act all distinguished and presidential, and gently remind people that he didn't say those things, without necessarily disagreeing with them.

Bush can be a significant help to McCain right now, as long as he keeps that microphone turned on.


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There's only one thing worse than idealism with no teeth!!! and that would be all teeth and no ideals!!!

I'm seeing blogs all over this site telling us "We don't have the luxury of principles", and castigating those of us that stand for something as putting our principles ahead of the Party....Well...Yeah!

I'm sick of this notion that we can't stand for anything and we shouldn't count on anything from those we elect because we have to win no matter what!

I joined the Republican Party to be a part of what it SAYS it stands for...The problem is, what it says and what it is is a continent apart!

Noonan and people like me are sounding the alarm and trying to tell everyone that the fire station is on fire and we have to save the firetruck while the rest of you stand around telling us we need to wait till the parade is over before we can put out the fire!

Peggy is right and she will be right until the powers that be take their heads out of the sand so they can see the train rolling down the tracks at them!


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although she always uses a negative tone when referring to Bush I didn't think anything she said in this piece was inaccurate. In fact, I'm hard pressed to find anywhere that Bush has really stood up and helped the party. I'm sure he's done some behind the scenes fund raising and such but he's absolutely fell way short of articulating our message thus transferring those principles and ideas to savvy Democrats to win election on. Of course he's not the only one to blame Tom Cole and other (R) leaders of that ilk are guilty as well.

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immigration debate did great harm to the Republican Party and yes President Bush to...the over the top language they used has cost them dearly and will continue to do so during this election...I just got my RNC letter questioning whether I left them and of course all the "dire" predictions if they don't get some money...well I thought I had requested removal from their list already...I will not be sending them any money...that the AG bill just came back up again reminds me of the hatefulness of that time....you don't get to smack me around and earn my money and respect...the problem is the elitest attitude amongst MANY in the Republican party who go no where but the beltway and believe the hype...when the party comes back down to earth they will win again.

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Obviously we ALL don't... by Steve Foley

...know these things!

I share your fustration with her negativity but it seems only a hand full of us are getting the message because nothing is being done.

Change has to come from within and so far only a select few (those of us with no real power other than our words) are the only ones doing the talking!

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From everything I've read.... by St. Louis Conservative

....it seems every Republican in congress is well aware and are in full panic mode right now. At least this election cycle won't sneak up on them like it did in 2006, when many people didn't seriously thing that the Dems could retake the house. There are no such delusions amongst Republicans this year.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

My piont... by Steve Foley

...goes far beyond this election cycle which is all but lost (their isn't one (R) leader I know of that could adequately articulate our message effectively enough by Nov. to save off the thrashing we're looking at. I hope I'm wrong!!!

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she goes farther than just pointing out problems in the GOP a and being a debby downer. She goes into spewing dem talking points sometimes, doesn't put some 'problems' into context and the reality of it all.

the biggest problems the GOP has are:

1) the Media

2) Bush's inability to articulate and get through the press and too the american people. I give him some slack here though, just from listening to the idiotic questions he gets from the white house press corps.

Bush didn't make all the house repubs. get in scandals and the Dems target Delay and get rid of him on bogus grounds. Its really been all downhill since we lost Delay.

Why can't we make a boogey man out of Pelosi and company they way they do Delay, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc.? partly because they have the media dominated and dominate the national dialogue.


"First you win the argument, then you win the vote." - MARGARET THATCHER.
So let's start winning the argument.

Delay by cwilson

and his K-Street project are emblematic of the whole mess we're in! Delay was the one who got us there!

No, Bush was by Neil Stevens

Delay's big errors were in following President Bush's lead. Medicare D, NCLB, and things like that were not K Street Project ideas.

The voters of the Republican party have nothing but themselves to blame for nominating Bush to begin with.

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"I want to hear solutions and answers instead of constantly reminders of everything that's wrong with conservatism and the GOP - we all know these things."

There's nothing wrong with Conservatism. However, there is plenty wrong with the Republican Pary which has rejected Conservatism. Of course, if you consider neocons Conservatives then nothing is wrong with the Republican Party.

That the Left is dumping Hillary Clinton in defiance of their own voters is a sign of their internal navel gazing, not their coming to life.

Peggy, start by analyzing our own Dan McLaughlin's excellent columns on what the actual voters are doing.

Now you guys know I don't McCain bash, because I'm proud of him as our nominee. But, damn, if our nominee was Rudy, we would not be having all these angst attacks, because he would be zestfully sticking it to the other guy.

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PS - Steve, are you discriminating against boomers? I need a lawyer! Call John Edwards! :>)

I am and... by Steve Foley

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Discrimination pales in comparison... :>)

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States...

If you ask me, it's time for a replay. Whether by monarchy or committee(our federal government), we be screwed.

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I happen to respect Peggy a great deal. But honestly, if I was "on the ledge" this would have made me jump.

She attempts philosophically didacticism to propitiate her own internal proclivities and write them into a creed. This seems to be an increasing sine qua non for every editorial Ms. Noonan pens. However, she succeeds only in provoking thought which questions her motives, or at a minimum, personal cognition. Witness this snippet;

The Democrats aren't the ones falling apart, the Republicans are. The Democrats can see daylight ahead. For all their fractious fighting, they're finally resolving their central drama. Hillary Clinton will leave, and Barack Obama will deliver a stirring acceptance speech. Then hand-to-hand in the general, where they see their guy triumphing. You see it when you talk to them: They're busy being born.

Yes of course, the central drama will be resolved to the satisfaction of whom? Party apparatchiks and other “Obama or nothing” doomsday cultists? Yes, they will unite behind Obama just as the Persians united behind Darius III at Battle of Gaugamela. But does that leave them in political Nirvana? Hardly.

I have been one of the first to note this party is headed for a slow, enduring death if we do not set an ambitious agenda, speak with one voice and choose real leaders with gumption, persistence and perseverance as primary qualities. That said, trying to build a “new” party on the backs of arguments grounded in a need to build parity with fictional, mythical hydras is both insensate and counter intuitive divination.

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Take the bath by Robert A. Hahn

There's something to be said for Steve's argument. And Peggy's. In the corporate world, when stuff like this happens, the best thing to do is boot the CEO. It doesn't even matter whether it's all his fault. Get rid of him. Show the market a new face.

The first thing the new CEO has to do is take a bath: find every loss that's hiding in the books, and take it now. Blame the old guy, the one you got rid of, for everything that happened. Kind of like the smarter banks did with this mortgage business. The bank stocks were all tanking because nobody knew how bad it was. Just how many bad loans were there? The uncertainty was worse than the disease. Every week brought news of another loss, another pile of bad loans found. Loss, loss, loss, drip, drip, drip. The smart banks went through the portfolio and wrote off anything that so much as smelled bad. The result was a huge quarterly loss. But the next day people started buying their stock again because people figured the bad news was all out. Plus, the new guy gets to be a hero because with the bad stuff gone, there's nowhere to go but up.

This might be a good time for the GOP to take a bath:

  • Does anyone believe that the next president is going to be a hero? I don't. We're in the sixth year of a pretty good economic expansion. Unless the business cycle has been repealed, the next guy is in for a drubbing.
  • Does anybody believe that China and India are going back to the third world? Or that massive new oil reserves will be brought on line in the next three years? I don't. I think the next president will preside over $5, $6, or even $10 a gallon gasoline... with all the popularity that implies.
  • Does anyone believe entitlements will be reformed? I don't. I think entitlement spending will begin to seriously crowd out other things Real Soon Now, which will lead to serious budget pain. If the Donks are in, they'll try to fix it with tax increases. Between the business cycle, the $10 gasoline, and the high taxes, they'll be lucky if their new president doesn't produce a Misery Index higher than Carter's.
  • Does anybody believe that al-Qa'eda is done? I don't. It may take them ten years, but they'll figure a way to whack us again. Seven of the ten years are behind us. The next president will probably see it. If the Donks are in, it'll be Jimmy Carter all over again.

I admit, a lot of this is lipstick for a pig. But it may be that we're going to get the pig, whether we want it or not; these things do happen from time to time, kind of like the tides. If the pig is our fate, let's make it a big one, with a lot of lipstick on it.

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The problem with taking that bath is its caustic mixture could result in fairly irreparable damage. I am not willing to see fellow American’s repeat my September 11th experience or for that matter those who didn’t make it.

Nonetheless, there is some credence to your argument as the next President will be viewed through a public looking glass which will assess any new attack either as confirmation of Democrat’s failure to utilize meaningful defense policies or affirmation that Republican efforts in Iraq, et al (the whole Bush 3rd term meme) have done nothing to keep use safe. The hand holding and bipartisan song-singing will not be repeated irrespective who is in power. It will be a blame game.

That said, the current environment appears to require a fairly substantial rout in order to peak the interest across our base. Perhaps in that process a strong, substantive leader will emerge; the only way your corporate world analogy will work. The current situation where our President, Boehner, McConnell, GOP, NRCC, etc. never seem to be on the same hymnal page or use the opposition’s egregious conduct as a headline, rather than footnote, will not suffice. In that regard I agree a clean slate is needed.

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Death of a thousand drips by Robert A. Hahn

Nobody ever wants the bath. But when you're doing what the banks were doing, i.e. getting showered with bad news, drip drip drip, almost daily (like the GOP is now), you're better off getting drenched all at once.

Drink Good Coffee. You can sleep when you're dead.

Sure the industry was dripping bad news, but that was due to our discovery process.

Every day we had changing (or zero) value on mortgage related securities. That makes it hard to pinpoint whether we will be liquid tomorrow. We also have speculators picking the carcasses trying to profit from misery. Sheesh; there is a metaphor in that somewhere.

I suspect with this current party we know where the bogies are hiding. Perhaps in retrospect you are indeed correct; we need to take a big rightoff.

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When's the last time the woman has had anything positive to say about anything Republican-related? All I've seen he write for quite some time is how Republicans are doomed, Democrats are ascendant, losing is inevitable, yadda yadda yadda. If I didn't know better, I'd say she's just adding to the doom and gloom echo chamber.

I'm just asking!!!

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It's going to take 8 to 12 more years, but I see a bright future with lots of great conservative leaders. The group these guys and gals are going to come from is the U.S Military. When they hit the scene, the left better look out. These guys will have long memories of who has supported them and who has impugned them. They will be overwhelmingly conservative.
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She writes like she is stuck in the past when the Rs were in control of the WH AND Congress. The Ds have been in control of Congress for 2 years, and what have they got to show for it? They have got nothing. The approval lower for Congress than it is for Pres. Bush. Nobody is delivering the message that the Ds took over the Congress and accomplished NOTHING! Nobody at all is delivering that message. Especially not Peggy.


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Bob Dole was absolutely right in 1994 when he said a Republican Congress would make Bill Clinton a better president, and it turned into the reason why Dole lost in '96.

Of course I trust the Republicans will regain the people's trust honorably and not "by hook or crook" as the other side has.

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Maybe she sees them as people who will just call her yet another Republican shill ("didn't she write for Reagan?") or call her names ("she's gotta be getting up there... maybe she's getting senile").

Maybe she just thinks that they haven't changed much since the days of Carter's dealings with the Iranians or Clinton's zipper problems.

It's a pity that the response to her is not "you've been a good and true friend for decades" but is instead...

Well, look above.

I ask once again: What happened between "Permanent Republican Majority" and now? Is it worth discussing or not?

Do you honestly think that dealing with these things will get in the way of winning elections?

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Well I think letting the Ds set the ground rules on what is worth discussing and what is off-limits is a sure-fire way of losing elections. So often the Rs are the ones who are on defense from attacks 24-7 by the Ds for this that or the other. The Rs aren't playing offense. They are not attacking the Do-Nothing D-controlled Congress. They are all for appeasement and bi-partisanship. House Minority Leader Bob Michaels' clones are running the GOP these days.


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Maybe, just maybe... by birdmojo

Peggy Noonan is not being a moral coward but is instead calling it like she sees it.

That used to be a conservative value.

Back in Reagan's day, of course. Wasn't that way back when when Diff'rent Strokes was still on the air?

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and the good news is that the Republican leadership finally seems to have recognized this. Of course, it's about three years too late, and quite probably too late to help for this election cycle, but it IS a start.

But there's a good bit of disagreement about exactly what the problem is. When you have the NRCC pushing this, which generates hundreds of comments in a few hours, almost 100% against what they're pushing, this is a good example of it. And then there are the people here who don't even think we should be talking about this at all right now.

And you know what? They're probably right. Barely tolerate him or loathe him, McCain is the nominee. He gets to set the agenda until he's no longer the party leader, and there's simply no way to advance a conservative agenda with him in the lead. We can advance those conservative items he agrees with, but nothing else.

So buckle up conservatives. We have to ride this out and wait for the opportunity later, building the support at the grassroots level for down the road.

It's going to be a long four years.

With phony polls coming out [by phony I mean ones predisposed to get a Dem majority] every day, the Republican base, which is possibly still 5 over 2 on top of Democrats, will stay home.

Every poll taken nationally by every major pollster on whether voters consider themselves conservative or liberal come out roughly 35% conservative and 20-21% liberal just like a law of nature.

Of course, the spectrum is shifting every redward [continental European] or blueward [American, and how was that color code shifted by the MSM with nary a peep?] in the underlying cultural religious wars which the Republican/conservatives relentlessly give ground.

Of course, when natural Repubs like Jim Webb [whom I once had a conversation with at a Wash Times editorial meeting] go Dem, the media gives them pre-emptive laurels.

But the wages of sin stop at our shores and in foreign policy, we can't be the Europe of 1939. McCain will try, but he can't outpander Obama [who is more centrist than HRC in health & other issues], so even the media can't shut up Ahmadodojihad and Hamas 'splodin' dudes & Lebanese problems.

Unless we let them.

The media is trying to keep the natural repub conservative base thinking it isn't even worth voting for McCain because they're almost the same. They aren't, on foreign policy.

Noonan should sound alarms and the Cato role is good to a point. But there is a sunrise even when it always seems 3AM in the morning

I think it's possible that Peggy Noonan is on to something, but it's NOT the death of the Republican Party.

If anything, it may be sunset time for the old striped-pants Republicans, the ones who have done so much to cause the situation in which we find ourselves. In debt, in trouble and in the pockets of globalists.

It may take an election cycle or two, but there is nothing but opportunity for a New Republican party, if it can find its way out of the old-boy, buddy-buddy network and back to its core principles.

I don't believe for a minute that the message of Barry Goldwater has lost a bit of its freshness. What's lost freshness is the man-tan, hair-plug, wide-stance, hands-across-the-aisle weak-kneed GOP represented by John Boehner and (I'm sorry to say) John McCain.

Let me guess, you think that "the message of Barry Goldwater" would include central planning of all international trade, complete with heavy taxation on imports that our Five Year Plan says are "critical industries" or something.

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